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Dave Lukas Chats with John Garrett

456:  What’s Your “And”? How John Garrett Helps Entrepreneurs Unlock Culture and Performance
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This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is John Garrett—a keynote speaker, award winning author, consultant, and the creator of the powerful concept known as “What’s Your And?” If you’re looking for the X factor in how to build a culture where people actually perform at their best, feel connected, and bring their whole selves to work… John is the guy you need to hear from.

John started his career as a CPA before breaking the mold—quite literally—by becoming a nationally touring comedian. And that’s what sparked his groundbreaking discovery: people are more than their job titles, and organizations that embrace their employees’ outside-of-work passions—what he calls their “Ands”—build stronger cultures, retain talent longer, and unlock levels of performance and engagement most leaders never tap into.
He’s worked with companies like PwC, AstraZeneca, and Microsoft, and written the bestseller What’s Your And? His message is simple but transformative: We perform better when we bring all of who we are to what we do. And for entrepreneurs and business owners looking to build thriving, winning cultures—John’s frameworks are pure gold.

I’ve personally spent time with John and seen him present his concepts live. His insights land. His stories resonate. And the applications for leaders are immediate.

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John's journey is anything but conventional. He began on a traditional path—graduating from the University of Notre Dame with an accounting degree and working at PwC in internal audit and M&A. But something inside him needed a creative outlet, and he found it in stand-up comedy. Starting as a side hobby, comedy quickly grew into something more. John began getting paid gigs and eventually left his stable corporate job to pursue comedy full-time. He built an impressive career, performing across the country, writing Emmy-nominated award shows, opening for top comedians like Daniel Tosh and Louie Anderson, and even brushing shoulders with late-night TV opportunities.

But a moment of recognition from a former PwC colleague, who remembered John not for his career achievements but for his comedy, sparked a powerful realization—people are more than their job titles. This insight became the foundation of John's groundbreaking philosophy and platform: What’s Your “And”? He now helps organizations unlock performance and engagement by embracing employees’ passions outside of work. Through keynote speaking, books, and consulting, John inspires leaders to bring humanity back into the workplace.

What is the "What’s Your And" Philosophy and Why Does It Matter?
  • Everyone has dimensions outside their job title.
  • Your "And" is a passion, interest, or activity that lights you up beyond work.
  • Ignoring these passions can lead to burnout, anxiety, and loss of identity.
  • Embracing your "And" leads to greater fulfillment and engagement—both personally and professionally.

How Can Leaders and Entrepreneurs Use This to Build Better Cultures?
  • Value the worker as much as the work: Create an environment where people feel seen beyond output.
  • Ask better questions:
    • “What would you love to do more of at work?”
    • “What would you love to do more of outside of work—and how can I help you do that?”
  • Act like a gardener, not a mechanic:
    • Instead of fixing people to fit the system, cultivate the environment so people can thrive.
  • Match team members with clients or work that aligns with their passions.
    • Example: A homebrewer working with a brewery client.

What Are Some of the Most Unique “Ands” You've Come Across?
  • Santa Claus (yes, seriously!)
  • Professional bocce player (with jerseys!)
  • Stained glass artist
  • Founder of a farm animal sanctuary
  • Land speed record holder for vintage motorcycles
  • Hundreds more from his podcast guests—emphasizing that everyone has a story

What Are the Biggest Cultural Mistakes Leaders Make?
  • Prioritizing clients over people: An upside-down model.
  • Better approach: Put people first → they deliver better work → clients are happier.
  • Retention improves: In one case, turnover dropped so significantly that a recruiter was no longer needed.
  • Companies grow faster: One firm doubled office locations within three years using his “connected culture” system.

What Should a Leader Do If They’ve Lost Touch with Their “And”?
  • Give yourself grace: What got you here still matters.
  • Revisit the past: What lit you up in childhood, high school, or college?
  • Start small: You don’t need to go all-in; even 15 minutes doing something you love can rekindle that joy.
  • Example: A successful executive who used to love golf hadn’t played in a year—John encouraged him to start with just a small bucket of balls at the range.

How Has John’s Comedy Career Shaped His Business Wisdom?
  • No barrier to entry: Just start—don’t wait for permission or validation.
  • Be original: Don’t imitate; the world needs the version of you.
  • Don’t chase approval: Deliver your truth confidently.
  • Comedy = Show Business: Being great at your craft matters, but so does running the business side.
  • Resilience is key: Like entrepreneurship, comedy is full of ups, downs, and hustle.

What is John’s Latest “And”?
  • Indoor rowing: A new routine activity—not a deep passion yet, but something that contributes to his well-being.
  • Emphasizes that your “And” doesn’t need to be extreme—just something that brings personal joy.

Best Quote

  • Value the worker as much as you value the work.
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