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Dave Lukas Chats with William Milliken

462:  The Poop Scoop Millionaire: How William Milliken Turned $1,000 Into a Massive Business
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This week’s Misfit Entrepreneur is William Milliken.  Let me ask you something.   What if scooping dog poop could make you a millionaire?  That’s not a joke—it’s exactly what William Milliken has done as the founder and president of Swoop Scoop, one of the fastest-growing professional dog waste removal companies in the country.  But he didn’t stop there. William also created Poop Scoop Millionaire, a top-ranked online community that has helped thousands of entrepreneurs start and grow their own service businesses, many with less than $1,000.

Ranked #6 on the Inc. 5000 list for fastest-growing consumer service companies, and featured by influencers like Codie Sanchez, Alex Hormozi, and Iman Gadzhi, William is a true Misfit Entrepreneur. He turned a “dirty job” into a multi-million-dollar empire—while building one of the most engaged communities on the Skool platform.

In this episode, we’re going to dig into:
  • How he built a 7-figure business from almost nothing
  • What it takes to scale in a service industry
  • Why undervalued niches hold massive potential
  • And what it means to lead a purpose-driven company in a market few take seriously

Get ready to rethink what opportunity looks like.

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Show Notes

William didn’t start out with a grand vision of building a poop-scooping empire. Like many entrepreneurs, he began by drifting through college without much direction before stumbling into digital marketing through a friend. He ran a small marketing agency for several years and quickly realized something critical: the real money wasn’t in marketing businesses — it was in owning them.
That insight led him to partner with operators in service-based businesses, where he handled marketing while others handled operations. When his wife hired a pooper scooper and he saw how poorly the service was run, an idea clicked. With almost no capital, William and a high school friend decided to test the concept themselves. What started as a scrappy experiment quickly revealed massive untapped demand, and over five years later, that experiment has grown into a multi‑million‑dollar, multi‑location operation with thousands of recurring customers.

How Swoop Scoop Got Off the Ground
  • Started with roughly $1,000 to cover licensing, basic tools, and setup
  • Reverse-engineered pricing by timing backyard cleanups (using rocks as “practice poop”)
  • First customers came from door hangers, yard signs, vet networking, and manual outreach
  • Early traction proved the model worked before scaling with paid ads
  • Capitalized on a massive pain point people didn’t want to talk about — but desperately wanted solved

The Business Model Explained
  • Subscription-based service (weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly visits)
  • Flat-rate pricing based on number of dogs
  • Customers sign up online without talking to sales
  • Standardized service process:
    • Walk defined yard pattern
    • Secure gates and send gate photo
    • Disinfect equipment to prevent disease spread
  • Simple, repeatable, and designed to scale

Margins and Unit Economics
  • Early-stage margins are extremely high due to low overhead
  • As the business scales, margins normalize due to management layers
  • Target mature margin: ~30% net
  • No traditional cost of goods sold — primary expenses are labor and fuel

What a Multi-Million-Dollar Poop Business Looks Like
  • Nearly 3,000 active recurring subscriptions
  • Average customer pays ~$120/month
  • One technician can service 125–150 clients with good route density
  • Scaling requires:
    • Scoop techs
    • Lead scoopers
    • “Scooper visors” (supervisors who still run partial routes)
    • Operations manager
    • Marketing, office, and customer service teams
  • Infrastructure was the main focus once revenue crossed $4–5M

Customer Stickiness & Churn
  • No contracts — customers can cancel anytime
  • Monthly churn averages 4–5%
  • Structural churn exists due to:
    • Dogs passing away
    • Customers moving
  • Longer billing cycles dramatically reduce churn:
    • Quarterly billing = ~70% lower churn
    • Annual billing reduces churn even further

The Most Critical Scaling Decisions

​On the acquisition side:
  • Obsessing over Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) vs Lifetime Value (LTV)
  • Only scaling paid ads when payback periods were healthy
  • Early ads were shockingly cheap (sometimes $20 per customer)
On the fulfillment side:
  • Early chaos with hiring, training, and fleet management
  • Personal truck loans to keep up with growth
  • Eventually built:
    • Swoop University (internal SOP and training platform)
    • Role-specific training for every position
  • Became far more selective in hiring (100+ applicants per hire)

What William Looks for When Hiring
  • Currently employed candidates (shows commitment and accountability)
  • Strong work ethic and reliability
  • Ability to work independently and outdoors
  • Job-hoppers are a red flag
  • Skill matters less than consistency and discipline

How Swoop Scoop Handles Dog Waste Disposal
  • Early model: dumpsters via waste management
  • Realized customers don’t care where waste goes
  • New model:
    • Double-bag waste and place in customer’s trash bin
    • Allows use of fuel-efficient cars instead of trucks
  • Result: major cost savings and improved margins

Advice for Entrepreneurs Starting With Almost No Money
  • Get legitimate from day one (licenses, insurance, professionalism)
  • Spend a little to look real (logo polos, photos, branding)
  • Don’t obsess over perfect websites or logos
  • Focus on cash flow first — execution beats aesthetics
  • Action builds confidence and momentum

Sweat-Equity Growth Strategies
  • Free Facebook buy/sell/trade groups
  • Dog-owner Facebook groups
  • Free trials in exchange for honest feedback and Google reviews
  • Vet clinics and local partnerships
  • Personal network outreach
  • Early reviews build long-term organic traffic assets

Hidden Challenges of Scaling a Home Service Business
  • Seasonality was a major surprise:
    • Winter (Q1) is peak season
    • Summer demand drops significantly
  • Advertising costs drop in winter as competitors pull back
  • Optimal time to launch new locations: Fall (Sept–Oct)
  • Knowing seasonality prevents panic and bad decisions

Paid Advertising Strategy
  • Vehicle wraps are mandatory for every new vehicle
  • Facebook ads generate demand where none existed
  • Best-performing ads:
    • Employees in uniform
    • Wrapped vehicles
  • Generated demand later turns into organic Google searches
  • Strong Google profiles, reviews, and local SEO are critical
  • SMS follow-up is the highest converting nurture channel

Tech Stack & Tools
  • CRM: Sweep & Go (built specifically for pooper scoopers)
  • SMS: Easy Text integrated with CRM
  • Automated opt-in and opt-out flows
  • Internal dev team builds custom funnels and marketing automations

Advertising ROI & Metrics
  • Average CAC: ~$162
  • LTV:
    • Spokane: ~$2,500
    • Seattle: ~$3,000
  • Payback period: a few months (often faster with initial cleanup fees)
  • Quarterly and annual billing pulls cash forward and boosts retention

The Metrics That Matter Most
  • Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) vs Lifetime Value (LTV)
  • Gross margins and labor efficiency
  • Route density
  • Churn rate by billing cycle
  • Scaling without breaking unit economics

Leadership & Building a Self-Sustaining Organization
  • Promote supervisors from within
  • Supervisors still work routes to maintain credibility
  • Operations manager oversees all locations
  • William now focuses on:
    • Strategy
    • Capital allocation
    • High-level growth decisions
  • Goal: business runs without daily founder involvement

Poop Scoop Millionaire Community
  • Started after inbound demand for coaching
  • $69/month membership
  • 30+ hours of actionable coursework:
    • Equipment
    • Pricing
    • Marketing
    • Hiring
    • Scaling
  • 700–800 active members
  • 2,000+ total members served
  • Top 1% Skool community by:
    • Revenue
    • Engagement
    • Activity
  • Monthly Q&A calls and weekly community-led sessions

What’s Next for Swoop Scoop
  • Expand corporate-owned locations
  • Avoid high-regulation states (CA, OR)
  • Focus on Idaho, Utah, Nevada, and nearby markets
  • Goal: make dog waste removal a mainstream service

Biggest Entrepreneurial Surprises
  • The model worked — repeatedly
  • Seasonality matters far more than expected
  • Legal and IP issues appear as businesses grow
  • Trademark challenges are common, even in small niches

Best Quote

  • If you don’t take action with volume, you’re going to have a hard time succeeding — perfection doesn’t build businesses, execution does.
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Take action with volume.  Perfection kills momentum and relentless execution wins.

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Stay humble.  Markets shift and regulations change.  Success is never permanent.

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Enjoy the ride.  Entrepreneurship creates freedom and it is awesome, so don't forget to celebrate wins along the way.


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